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		<title>Comment on Metric Collection Error by Mel</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2010/08/12/metric-collection-error/comment-page-1/#comment-3771</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, exactly where I was looking for!!

Thanks
Mel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, exactly where I was looking for!!</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Mel</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adding Datafiles by joel garry</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2012/01/05/adding-datafiles/comment-page-1/#comment-3699</link>
		<dc:creator>joel garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a (ridiculous old) habit of fixing data files at 2G, except for the last at 200M with 64M autoextend, 2G max.  When the last start to extend, I up it to 2G and add another autoextend.  I see if I make space one way or another in the existing data files, new data gets added in those first, before any more autoextending.  If I have lots of fixed empty data files (as in dropping user, create new, imp data), Oracle round-robins.  Adding or major extending datafiles is noticeable both in system response and large fields of blue in dbconsole. hp-ux itanium raid-5 10.2.0.4 YMMV.

I should check out that rman backing up in chunks thing some time, thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a (ridiculous old) habit of fixing data files at 2G, except for the last at 200M with 64M autoextend, 2G max.  When the last start to extend, I up it to 2G and add another autoextend.  I see if I make space one way or another in the existing data files, new data gets added in those first, before any more autoextending.  If I have lots of fixed empty data files (as in dropping user, create new, imp data), Oracle round-robins.  Adding or major extending datafiles is noticeable both in system response and large fields of blue in dbconsole. hp-ux itanium raid-5 10.2.0.4 YMMV.</p>
<p>I should check out that rman backing up in chunks thing some time, thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adding Datafiles by Niall Litchfield</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2012/01/05/adding-datafiles/comment-page-1/#comment-3679</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Litchfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin

The short answer is that I haven&#039;t checked. I&#039;m assuming that any sensible oracle shop is using some lower level striping of I/O as you describe. All I think I am really arguing is that there is still erhaps a case for adding datafiles rather than autoextend even here IFF (if and only if) you have such a critical system that you don&#039;t want to hold up real processing at all. 

BTW I mentally substituted extents for segments in your comment, I assume that is what you intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin</p>
<p>The short answer is that I haven&#8217;t checked. I&#8217;m assuming that any sensible oracle shop is using some lower level striping of I/O as you describe. All I think I am really arguing is that there is still erhaps a case for adding datafiles rather than autoextend even here IFF (if and only if) you have such a critical system that you don&#8217;t want to hold up real processing at all. </p>
<p>BTW I mentally substituted extents for segments in your comment, I assume that is what you intended.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Proof by extension.. by Log Buffer #253, A Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs &#124; The Pythian Blog</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2012/01/04/proof-by-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-3678</link>
		<dc:creator>Log Buffer #253, A Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs &#124; The Pythian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the performance overhead of datafile autoextend events? Niall Litchfield [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Adding Datafiles by Martin Berger</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2012/01/05/adding-datafiles/comment-page-1/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niall, 
have you ever checked how the extends are distributed over the datafiles if you just add datafiles? 
Let&#039;s say you always add a datafile when the tablespace hits 90%, and there is only data added. So your first datafile is 90% filled when the 2nd datafile is added. I assume now all new segments are filled in file2 until this is also 90% full. Then the segments are distributed over all 2 files until they both reach 95% and you add another datafile. This again fills until it reaches 95%, afterwards all 3 datafiles gets segments until 97%, alarm, datafile, etc. 
Do you see the pattern? if you graph the files left to right and fill them bottom up you get inverted &quot;L&quot;s. 
In this case the io-performance will be quite different depending which part of the &quot;L&quot; you are accessing. 
Of course sometimes the striping is done on lower systems (ASM, VolumeManager, StorageSubsystem), but in that case the number of files is independent at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niall,<br />
have you ever checked how the extends are distributed over the datafiles if you just add datafiles?<br />
Let&#8217;s say you always add a datafile when the tablespace hits 90%, and there is only data added. So your first datafile is 90% filled when the 2nd datafile is added. I assume now all new segments are filled in file2 until this is also 90% full. Then the segments are distributed over all 2 files until they both reach 95% and you add another datafile. This again fills until it reaches 95%, afterwards all 3 datafiles gets segments until 97%, alarm, datafile, etc.<br />
Do you see the pattern? if you graph the files left to right and fill them bottom up you get inverted &#8220;L&#8221;s.<br />
In this case the io-performance will be quite different depending which part of the &#8220;L&#8221; you are accessing.<br />
Of course sometimes the striping is done on lower systems (ASM, VolumeManager, StorageSubsystem), but in that case the number of files is independent at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adding Datafiles by Abhishek</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2012/01/05/adding-datafiles/comment-page-1/#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a piece of art.
-Abhishek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a piece of art.<br />
-Abhishek</p>
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		<title>Comment on OUI Updates feature by Log Buffer #250, A Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs &#124; The Pythian Blog</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2011/12/15/oui-updates-feature/comment-page-1/#comment-3617</link>
		<dc:creator>Log Buffer #250, A Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs &#124; The Pythian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to download any post release recommended updates for the product and to apply them at install time. Nial gives [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on About by Sandipan</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/about/comment-page-1/#comment-3610</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandipan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I need to appear for Oracle Enterprise Manager 11g Essentials Exam (1Z0-530). Can you suggest me how should I prepare myself for the same.

Thanks,
Sandipan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I need to appear for Oracle Enterprise Manager 11g Essentials Exam (1Z0-530). Can you suggest me how should I prepare myself for the same.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Sandipan</p>
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		<title>Comment on UKOUG Agenda by Four (good) days in December &#171; Oracle Observations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four (good) days in December &#171; Oracle Observations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on New Features, New Defaults, New Side-Effects by Uwe Hesse</title>
		<link>http://orawin.info/blog/2010/04/25/new-features-new-defaults-new-side-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-3292</link>
		<dc:creator>Uwe Hesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Niall, for pointing out these pitfalls associated with Deferred Segment Creation! The sequence problem is fixed in 11.2.0.3 meanwhile, but the Standard Edition downgrade problem still exists, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Niall, for pointing out these pitfalls associated with Deferred Segment Creation! The sequence problem is fixed in 11.2.0.3 meanwhile, but the Standard Edition downgrade problem still exists, I think.</p>
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